In response to the question "Does God exist?" on a forum in LinkedIn, I drafted the following, which seems to be sufficiently well-formed to be posted here, prior to posting there as well:
There is no "God" in a purely objective, independent sense for that would require weird, nonsensical disconnects (within any holodynamic systems, or indeed any reasonable rational context).
The idea of an independent creator was an idea developed during the childhood of humanity:
Bishop John Shelby Spong:
"Religion ... was for most of human history, always childlike and by definition authoritarian. It was, to be specific, a primary activity of the childhood of our humanity as a species."1
To some extent this was covered in my post "Consider some stuff".
And in other articles on both the Beliefdoctor.com and beliefinstitute.com websites.
For your convenience (from "Intelligent Co-Design".
"I've recently watched the documentary on the court case in the USA over the teaching of Intelligent Design in the science curriculum ("Judgment Day: Intelligent Design on Trial").
It seems few who engage in this argument appreciate that science and religion are "sister belief systems" – both objectify the causal agent for the evolution of biological systems, as being 'random mutations' and 'God', resp.
Objectifying any cause for evolution requires a disconnect (a separation) of the system's volition (choices, intentions, self-organising abilities) and the resultant changes.
The advocates of both belief-systems (religion and science) have not yet proposed intelligent co-design, in which it is argued biological systems (of all complexities, including entire eco-systems) self-organise with intent.
With the proof of nonlocality – which disallows 'perfect disconnects' (i.e. all parts within any whole are intimately interconnected and interdependent) – it makes no sense to expect that 'things just happen' or that it was God's Will, independent of the system's intent (of cell, organ, body, person, community).
The arguments will continue while ever the scientists and religious proponents remain in Stage III thinking." 2
World circumstances (and nature herself will soon) require that we now "let go" childhood beliefs, and embrace more mature, holodynamic systems perspectives.
Such beliefs (as religion and science) are not sustainable belief-systems.
They have to go, or we will (as a race).
Additional reading, ideas are provided in the following articles:
- Is God perfect? Will God save me? [http://is.gd/Ied3BO ]
- Making God small. Not good
- Do science and religion rely upon ignorance?
I was asked just yesterday, "what value is there to knowing or understanding a holodynamics systems world-view"?
Well, a holodynamics systems perspective, one in which we co-create reality, would see off many atheists, who hold their views in OPPOSITION to religious concepts of an independent, objective spirit floating around in the heavens who will punish us if we small children are naughty.
Once childhood concepts are 'let go' by all sides (science, religion, atheists, new-age groups) we could all then say, "oh, righto then, let's get on with building a wonderful future. It was fun though, for a while, but yeah, better to be all grown up now".